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		<title>Comment on What&#8217;s &#8220;Rio+20&#8243; and Why Should We Care? by Bob Drysdale</title>
		<link>http://steadystate.org/whats-rio20/comment-page-1/#comment-10026</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Drysdale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 06:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly my view was confirmed today as I listened to the final statement from the G8 leaders after their Camp David meeting. the only answer was growth, growth growth!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly my view was confirmed today as I listened to the final statement from the G8 leaders after their Camp David meeting. the only answer was growth, growth growth!!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on What&#8217;s &#8220;Rio+20&#8243; and Why Should We Care? by Bob Drysdale</title>
		<link>http://steadystate.org/whats-rio20/comment-page-1/#comment-10025</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Drysdale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 20:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sad truth is that despite the strength of the steady state arguments, none of the big players in the world economy will do anything to change their policies of chasing growth  until they are forced to by major ecological failures. Even then the response is likely to be piecemeal and will probably not address the fundamental problems. The growth lobby is too well entrenched to succumb to a frontal assault. The only real option is to prepare on a small local scale by encouraging people to grow their own food and learn practical skills. We should also campaign to protect our indigenous technical industries so that we can retain the ability to produce the hardware we will need to survive. The present dependence of many western economies on cheap imports from Asia  not only destroys our indigenous manufacturing capacity but more importantly diverts the economic growth in the developing economies away from providing much needed goods  for their own populations to providing throw away consumer goods to the west. We are generally agreed that any economic growth that is still possible should be concentrated in these countries but it should be for the benefit of the indigenous people not for lining the pockets of the exporters and manufacturers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sad truth is that despite the strength of the steady state arguments, none of the big players in the world economy will do anything to change their policies of chasing growth  until they are forced to by major ecological failures. Even then the response is likely to be piecemeal and will probably not address the fundamental problems. The growth lobby is too well entrenched to succumb to a frontal assault. The only real option is to prepare on a small local scale by encouraging people to grow their own food and learn practical skills. We should also campaign to protect our indigenous technical industries so that we can retain the ability to produce the hardware we will need to survive. The present dependence of many western economies on cheap imports from Asia  not only destroys our indigenous manufacturing capacity but more importantly diverts the economic growth in the developing economies away from providing much needed goods  for their own populations to providing throw away consumer goods to the west. We are generally agreed that any economic growth that is still possible should be concentrated in these countries but it should be for the benefit of the indigenous people not for lining the pockets of the exporters and manufacturers.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What&#8217;s &#8220;Rio+20&#8243; and Why Should We Care? by Kristen</title>
		<link>http://steadystate.org/whats-rio20/comment-page-1/#comment-10024</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 08:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian Czech will be discussing this topic at the Economics as if Life Mattered symposium on May 25th at ZSL London Zoo.  Connecting wildlife conservation and economic analysis, this one-day event will include many presentations from economists and conservationists:   

http://www.zsl.org/science/events/economics-as-if-life-mattered-can-we-shape-economic-policy-to-save-species,580,EV.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian Czech will be discussing this topic at the Economics as if Life Mattered symposium on May 25th at ZSL London Zoo.  Connecting wildlife conservation and economic analysis, this one-day event will include many presentations from economists and conservationists:   </p>
<p><a href="http://www.zsl.org/science/events/economics-as-if-life-mattered-can-we-shape-economic-policy-to-save-species,580,EV.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.zsl.org/science/events/economics-as-if-life-mattered-can-we-shape-economic-policy-to-save-species,580,EV.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on What&#8217;s &#8220;Rio+20&#8243; and Why Should We Care? by Cristian</title>
		<link>http://steadystate.org/whats-rio20/comment-page-1/#comment-10023</link>
		<dc:creator>Cristian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 00:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, I partipate in the dialogues for Río+20, all members of CASSE can participate. I copy the link:
https://www.riodialogues.org/
They are many topics and the suggestions are very interesting. I think the experience of CASSE is important in the discussions.
Cristian Herbas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, I partipate in the dialogues for Río+20, all members of CASSE can participate. I copy the link:<br />
<a href="https://www.riodialogues.org/" rel="nofollow">https://www.riodialogues.org/</a><br />
They are many topics and the suggestions are very interesting. I think the experience of CASSE is important in the discussions.<br />
Cristian Herbas</p>
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		<title>Comment on What&#8217;s &#8220;Rio+20&#8243; and Why Should We Care? by gerald spezio</title>
		<link>http://steadystate.org/whats-rio20/comment-page-1/#comment-10022</link>
		<dc:creator>gerald spezio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 15:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a glaring paradox on its FACE to send a lawyerfish to a conference about the &quot;science&quot; of global heating

We might ask if lawyerfish Stern knows Newton&#039;s laws or the Second Law of Thermo.

James Hansen was surely available &amp; more than willing.

In the Clinton administration, Stern was Assistant to the President and White House Staff Secretary. He coordinated the administration’s Initiative on Global Climate Change from 1997 to 1999, acting as the senior White House negotiator at the Kyoto and Buenos Aires negotiations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a glaring paradox on its FACE to send a lawyerfish to a conference about the &#8220;science&#8221; of global heating</p>
<p>We might ask if lawyerfish Stern knows Newton&#8217;s laws or the Second Law of Thermo.</p>
<p>James Hansen was surely available &amp; more than willing.</p>
<p>In the Clinton administration, Stern was Assistant to the President and White House Staff Secretary. He coordinated the administration’s Initiative on Global Climate Change from 1997 to 1999, acting as the senior White House negotiator at the Kyoto and Buenos Aires negotiations.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What&#8217;s &#8220;Rio+20&#8243; and Why Should We Care? by gerald spezio</title>
		<link>http://steadystate.org/whats-rio20/comment-page-1/#comment-10021</link>
		<dc:creator>gerald spezio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 15:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LAWYERING TO THWART SOLVING GLOBAL HEATING

SUPERNATION sends a &quot;professional&quot; forked-tongue lawyerfish to confuse everything &amp; everybody about global heating.

Lawyerfish Hillarious Clinton (JD Yale) appointed fellow lawyerfish, Stern (JD Harvard), the US&#039;s chief climate &quot;negotiator&quot; in 2009.

A classic video of lawyerfish/negotiator Stern&#039;s DOUBLE TALK.

IT&#039;S A MATTER OF - &quot;GUIDEPOSTS&quot; &amp; &quot;NUANCE.&quot;

Miss this at your peril;

http://thinkprogress.org/green/2011/12/08/384707/us-climate-envoy-todd-stern-staying-below-the-2degc-threshold-is-just-a-guidepost/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LAWYERING TO THWART SOLVING GLOBAL HEATING</p>
<p>SUPERNATION sends a &#8220;professional&#8221; forked-tongue lawyerfish to confuse everything &amp; everybody about global heating.</p>
<p>Lawyerfish Hillarious Clinton (JD Yale) appointed fellow lawyerfish, Stern (JD Harvard), the US&#8217;s chief climate &#8220;negotiator&#8221; in 2009.</p>
<p>A classic video of lawyerfish/negotiator Stern&#8217;s DOUBLE TALK.</p>
<p>IT&#8217;S A MATTER OF &#8211; &#8220;GUIDEPOSTS&#8221; &amp; &#8220;NUANCE.&#8221;</p>
<p>Miss this at your peril;</p>
<p><a href="http://thinkprogress.org/green/2011/12/08/384707/us-climate-envoy-todd-stern-staying-below-the-2degc-threshold-is-just-a-guidepost/" rel="nofollow">http://thinkprogress.org/green/2011/12/08/384707/us-climate-envoy-todd-stern-staying-below-the-2degc-threshold-is-just-a-guidepost/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on What&#8217;s &#8220;Rio+20&#8243; and Why Should We Care? by gerald spezio</title>
		<link>http://steadystate.org/whats-rio20/comment-page-1/#comment-10020</link>
		<dc:creator>gerald spezio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 15:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hahvid lawyer Obama tells Yalie lawyer Hillarious to tell Hahvid lawyer Todd Stern to do his lawyerly best to foul up FARCENHAGEN with his best lawyerly doubletalk

Hahvid lawyerfish Todd Stern&#039;s FARCICAL CLIMATE CHANGE DENIAL.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/12/11</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahvid lawyer Obama tells Yalie lawyer Hillarious to tell Hahvid lawyer Todd Stern to do his lawyerly best to foul up FARCENHAGEN with his best lawyerly doubletalk</p>
<p>Hahvid lawyerfish Todd Stern&#8217;s FARCICAL CLIMATE CHANGE DENIAL.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/12/11" rel="nofollow">http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/12/11</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on What&#8217;s &#8220;Rio+20&#8243; and Why Should We Care? by gerald spezio</title>
		<link>http://steadystate.org/whats-rio20/comment-page-1/#comment-10019</link>
		<dc:creator>gerald spezio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 15:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You state;

&quot;The days of the win-win rhetoric are waning; the world at large is moving on, ready for steady statesmanship.&quot;

The glory days of forked tongue lawyering&#039;s win-win rhetoric are more powerful than ever.

Almost our pols are lawyers with win-win mentality.

Obama, Biden, Hilarious, Panetta,  Romney, Santorum, Lieberman, Reid, ...

Brian, you are supposed to be a hard nosed empiricist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You state;</p>
<p>&#8220;The days of the win-win rhetoric are waning; the world at large is moving on, ready for steady statesmanship.&#8221;</p>
<p>The glory days of forked tongue lawyering&#8217;s win-win rhetoric are more powerful than ever.</p>
<p>Almost our pols are lawyers with win-win mentality.</p>
<p>Obama, Biden, Hilarious, Panetta,  Romney, Santorum, Lieberman, Reid, &#8230;</p>
<p>Brian, you are supposed to be a hard nosed empiricist.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What Is the Limiting Factor? by Herman Daly and his brilliant analogies &#171; Con Carlitos</title>
		<link>http://steadystate.org/what-is-the-limiting-factor/comment-page-1/#comment-10017</link>
		<dc:creator>Herman Daly and his brilliant analogies &#171; Con Carlitos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 21:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] God bless this man&#8230;  What Is the Limiting Factor? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] God bless this man&#8230;  What Is the Limiting Factor? [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on What Is the Limiting Factor? by Karen Williams</title>
		<link>http://steadystate.org/what-is-the-limiting-factor/comment-page-1/#comment-10016</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 15:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All eloquently written but I also hold this sentence the most valuable one  &#039;The wishful thought leading to such unfounded growth expectations was the belief that by growth we would cure poverty without the need to share.&#039; Not sharing and caring is the root cause and we will either be doomed or simply repeat our errors, (one way or another), unless this fundamental cause it dealt with. Economics fails to do so even when discussing how we must change!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All eloquently written but I also hold this sentence the most valuable one  &#8216;The wishful thought leading to such unfounded growth expectations was the belief that by growth we would cure poverty without the need to share.&#8217; Not sharing and caring is the root cause and we will either be doomed or simply repeat our errors, (one way or another), unless this fundamental cause it dealt with. Economics fails to do so even when discussing how we must change!</p>
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